Although the publisher has a long-awaited, large title in development, it doesn’t think it will be as successful as Grand Theft Auto V.

The company’s CEO, Strauss Zelnick told GamesIndustry the following: „What the team is doing is trying to make the best possible game they can, and if they succeed… Look, the reason, in my opinion, why GTA V has sold 80m units, and GTA Online had another record year 3-and-a-half years since its release, is because it stands alone in the generation. In every prior generation, there have been other titles that have clustered around GTA from a quality point-of-view. That’s clearly not the case now. If you are over 17 and you have a new generation console, you have GTA. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have shipped 80m units. Can any other title achieve that? It seems unlikely. Do we have incredibly high hopes for Red Dead? We do. But we are not putting it in the context of GTA.”

At least Zelnick isn’t overly confident. Red Dead Redemption 2 is out next Spring on PlayStation 4, and Xbox One after Rockstar (which was transformed due to GTA Online’s success, Zelnick says) delayed it from the Fall 2017 target.